Estate sale find! (ttyymmnn bait)

"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform) 01/30/2016 at 15:59 • Filed to: None

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Found an F.E. Olds & Son Ambassador cornet for $75! I couldn’t pass that up, no way!

In car terms, I just found a weekend cruiser to go with my daily driver.

Tohru > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 16:04

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Well you don’t have to go tooting your own horn about it.

TheHondaBro > Tohru 01/30/2016 at 16:06

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no

SVTyler > Tohru 01/30/2016 at 16:14

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Tohru > SVTyler 01/30/2016 at 16:25

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SVTyler > Tohru 01/30/2016 at 16:27

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Jcarr > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 16:46

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I'm interested in the red Strat there.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 16:58

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Awesome find! (Did I already know you played? I apologize if I have forgotten). It looks to be in pretty good shape from the photo. Perhaps you might post a couple more.

I’m intrigued to know the vintage. You should be able to find the manufacture date based on the serial number. Try here:

http://rouses.net/trumpet/oldser…

A few years ago I was meeting with the man who photographed my wedding 25 years ago. He mentioned that he had an old cornet he was looking to sell. Turns out it was a Mt. Vernon Bach, one of the most sought-after horns on the planet. He still had the sales receipt, and the warranty hand-signed by Vincent Bach. I had to move heaven and earth, but I bought it. It’s a remarkable instrument, and now my son is playing it. It was a true garage find, like the one-owner classic that the old lady only drove to church on Sunday.

What is your trumpet? I’m rotten at ID’ing horns. I haven't looked for a new horn in 20 years, and I'm still playing the Bach Strad I got for Christmas in 1977.

McMike > Jcarr 01/30/2016 at 17:16

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That’s a P Bass or a knock-off.

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 17:34

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The serial number on it is 79353, which, given the information from the web page you linked to, would imply it’s from 1952, thereabouts. The horn is in generally good shape, though there are some rough spots around it.

The silver horn is nothing special, basically an Allora student-grade trumpet. With my Megatone mouthpiece it sounds pretty nice, even for a student horn.

That’s pretty cool how you bought a Mt. Vernon Bach. Those are nice horns! I’m certainly jealous.

And yes, I play. I’ve been playing since 5th grade and I’m in my second year of college. Not as long as you, but still a decent amount.

Built in Los Angeles, or as I like to call it, Little Iran.

TheHondaBro > Jcarr 01/30/2016 at 17:36

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Not a Strat. A cheapo beginners bass my dad is learning on.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 17:46

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I’ve got a good friend who might be able to provide some more info on that horn. His DD is an Olds Recording model. A little small in the bore for my liking, but he sounds fabulous on it. He teaches trumpet in TN.

Are you studying music? I’ve got three degrees in trumpet performance, but they don’t pay the bills. Fortunately, I married well and my wife brings home the bacon.

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 17:50

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Music is my hobby, but my studies are in mechanical engineering.

And yeah, if you could run that SN by your friend, that would be awesome! I’d like to know more about it.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 17:51

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Smart man. I'll drop my friend an email this weekend. Now go practice!

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 17:53

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Thanks!

Jcarr > McMike 01/30/2016 at 18:16

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Good eye. Should have known from the flush mounted jack.

Chariotoflove > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 18:48

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Great find! Finding a really great horn is like being introduced to the girl you marry. The longer you play, the deeper the relationship grows, and you really never need another.

That Allora is like the cute girl you hooked up with freshman week. Yeah, she was fun, and you still see her around on campus, but you’re really not bothered if you lose her number.

TheHondaBro > Chariotoflove 01/30/2016 at 18:49

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Haha yeah pretty much.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 19:20

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From my friend:

This is a great cornet. It was actually their low-end pro model (they didn’t make student horns), but they all used the same killer valve section. It is built like a tank, and actually sounds like a cornet. They made a lot of them, so they aren’t rare or pricey, just really well-made.

So, there you go! It’s a great find. For grins, you might check ebay or Trumpet Herald to see what people are selling these for. My guess is that they are fetching upwards of $200. And, if you search ebay, be to search “coronet” as well. You’ll find lots of Dodges, but you’ll also find the odd cornet because people don’t know how to spell it.

Congrats on the find!

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 19:23

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Cool! Thanks for contacting your friend.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 19:23

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My pleasure!

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 19:26

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I went up and down the Bb scale a couple times just now and it sounds great! Seemed most happy when I gave it a mellow voice, just like a cornet should be!

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 19:37

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Do you know how the cornet and trumpet are structurally different?

TheHondaBro > ttyymmnn 01/30/2016 at 19:47

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A Cornet has a narrower lead pipe, and I believe a trumpet has a cylindrical bore vs a cornet’s conic bore. I could be wrong.

ttyymmnn > TheHondaBro 01/30/2016 at 20:07

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That's essentially it. The cylindrical bore (trumpet, trombone, baritone) gives a brighter, more direct tone. The conical bore (cornet, horn, euphonium, tuba) gives a darker, richer tone. I use a regular 1C cornet mouthpiece on my Mt. Vernon (same cup and rim as my trumpet mouthpiece, but with a cornet shank), because that's the same set up I use on my trumpet. You can experiment with B cup mouthpieces (1B, 3B or 5B) to further darken the sound. The rim will be the same as the C mouthpieces, but the bowl is more V-shaped and gives a darker sound.

McMike > TheHondaBro 01/31/2016 at 09:07

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I bought the same one. I think it was $150, and was previously a rental.

It’s horrible, but I needed a bass to record with.